Posts by Old Goat

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JW apologist Emeth dismisses teachings of Russell as irrelevant, uninspired and even funny.. Maybe in the future jw's will say the same about todays Governing Body?

by The Quiet One in

emeth said: "russell never claimed to be a inspired prophet or without any failures or mistakes.

he was just a human as much as i and you are.

he is just a person who started a process of digging and searching for bible truths.

Old Goat

The soon to be released book by historians Schulz and deVienne shows that Russell started nothing. Russell did not claim to have an original idea. He claimed to have chosen the best of what was avialable in the various creeds. The governing body and Watch Tower Society want to distance themselves from Russell. This is a shameful rejection of their own past.

I doubt that "genteel" knows his own history.

I hope that more original and accurate research such as that by Schulz and deVienne dispells the myths that surround Russell and his sometimes really creepy associates.

You should visit this web page http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/

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Did Jehovah's Witnesses Plagiarize HWA's False Prophecy Of 1975?

by Bangalore in

did jehovah's witnesses plagiarize hwa's false prophecy of 1975?.

http://livingarmstrongism.blogspot.com/2013/10/did-jehovahs-witnesses-plagiarize-hwas.html.

bangalore.

Old Goat

A date in the mid 1970s was talked about among Witnesses in the late 1940s. Marcus Bach mentions this in one of his books, and I certainly remember it. The book New Heavens and New Earth (1953) had a chart in the back that furthered the discussion. As I recall there was a similar table in one of the 1954 Watchtowers. The 1975 fiasco ows nothing to the Armstrongites and everything to F. W. Franz's wild imagination.

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Question About 607BCE and How That Date Was Picked - Help JW Scholars

by Comatose in

so i've been sharing some a little at a time with my sister.

she is married and very scared of actually learning too much.

she doesn't want to ruin her marriage.

Old Goat

606 was a commonly used date in the 19th Century. It came to Russell through E. B. Elliott's Horae. 607 was an alternate date that accounted for the "no year zero" problem. Much of this story is told in Schulz and De Vienne: Nelson Barbour: The Millennium's Forgotten Prophet. It's on Barnes and Noble as an ebook, lulu.com has paperback. It's well worth the money.

Russell's love interest?

by Old Goat in

i tried to start this topic earlier, but it fell into a black hole.

go read the first article here http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/.

jennie smith?

Old Goat

I tried to start this topic earlier, but it fell into a black hole. Go read the first article here http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/

Jennie Smith? Who knew?

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The Real Aftermath of the AGM...Part 2

by raymond frantz in

for the ones based in britain only the "few" were invited to attend the agm .they received their new grey bible and the rumor was that the new bible will not be available for the rest of the congragations until january .it was confirmed tonight .a letter was read as local announcement that the new bibles will not be available until the end of january for the rest of the congragation .all the in crowd were sat there with their new flashy bible looking smug.also the bible reading was read from the new bible to make it all the more obvious ..... the real aftermath of agm....

Old Goat

The elders here bared an aged, infirm sister from attending because she is no longer able to 'go out in service." She's been a faithful witness since 1952. Explain to me why loving kindnes should take second place to a public ministry that in now way resembles that of the first century.

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Yearbook 1927 reports... so racist and ignorant!!

by ILoveTTATT in

jw
friends

brazil.

necessarily in a catholic and priest-ridden country,.

wherein the greater part of the population possess a. small degree of intelligence, the giving of the witness is.

Old Goat

The phrase "speak american" was common from just before World War I to the mid 1930s. There was persistent antagonism between Americans and Brits, especially the English. In the late 19th Century they almost went to war over the Alabama affair. Understand that they were not allies in World War One, They were best described as Associated Powers, and there was significant ill feeling between the two nations. If Germany hadn't been stupid and had produced propaganda as vivid and well done as the English, American would have let the UK twist in the wind. Antagonism lead to an assertion of American identity down to language. Americans used the phrase "speak American" to separate themselves from English culture. Friction was so great that by 1935 it looked as if the US and the UK would go to war. Both sides made serious war plans. In the UK the phrase "speak American" was used as a sneering insult.

I'm sure our hispanic poster did not know this. But when one wears one's ethnic identity as if it were a star of David, then one will take offense without pursuing the facts.

There are many things over which to fault the Watchtower Society. This isn't one of them.

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What level of IQ does one have, to beleive " TRUTH " changes. ? or old "Light " old truths " New Light " new truths " ?

by smiddy in

okay, i never went to university , or had a college education, though i`m damn sure that "truth" is "truth" and it never changes.. if you" beleived "something was the truth in the past and now found out it was not correct , you cant say it was an" old " truth ,it must have been wrong/false reasoning in the first place......so it was never really the truth.. sure you can be aware of a "new" truth something you never knew beforehand , though whether you knew it or not ,it has always been a truth.

example:the earth was the centre of the universe ,beleived as a truth.........that beleif was false , it was not an old truth.. if their was something you beleived before as true and you now find it wasnt true , then it was false / untrue .. their is no such thing as an "old truth " and a "new truth" that is apparently accepted by jehovahs witnesses .. if jehovahs witnesses were as honest as they profess , then they would acknowledge when they make adjustments to their beleifs/doctrines that they were wrong in their initial understanding of said scriptures instead of passing it off as old truths or new light.. i was a witness for 33 years before it became obvious something was just not right with this religion and it took another 10-12 years before i found this site , that set me free.

so i ask , is it an iq level ?

Old Goat

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Yearbook 1927 reports... so racist and ignorant!!

by ILoveTTATT in

jw
friends

brazil.

necessarily in a catholic and priest-ridden country,.

wherein the greater part of the population possess a. small degree of intelligence, the giving of the witness is.

Old Goat

Education furthers rational discourse. Brazilians in this era were deprived of it. The literacy rate was nearly zero. If no one trains you to think, if you are raised in superstitious ingorance, then you will have trouble associating ideas. Associating ideas is the halmark of intelligence. You're wearing your Hispanic feelings on your sleeve.

Within the historic context, this isn't racism.

In any event, it's a misdefinition of racism. Being Brazilian isn't a race. It's a nationality. You're also confusing a portuguese or part portuguese or native ancestry with a Hispanic one. They aren't the same. No Brazilian wants to be identified with Spain or those of spanish ancestry.

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Yearbook 1927 reports... so racist and ignorant!!

by ILoveTTATT in

jw
friends

brazil.

necessarily in a catholic and priest-ridden country,.

wherein the greater part of the population possess a. small degree of intelligence, the giving of the witness is.

Old Goat

American English is a varient of the English language. Ask anyone from the UK if we speak their brand of English. In the mid 1920s only upper-class Brazilians were educated. Most Brazilians existed a step beyond serfdom. Don't read current conditions into the past. This isn't racist. It's fact as it was in 1927. A remedial course in South American social history would serve you well.

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HELP. ELDERS COMING TO TALK WITH THE FAMILY

by Thoughtless in

so after the annual meeting, on sunday, the elders want to talk with my family.

i do not like this one bit.

perhaps i am being exposed.

Old Goat

The belief that you're obligated to talk to them exists only in their head. Go sit in the car if you do not want to participate.